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    dumi81,
    cunoastem si am dezbatut aceasta lege, dar Home Office da raspunsuri contradictorii unor oameni care au sunat sa intrebe. Nu este vorba ca noi nu intelegem, sau nu cunoastem este vorba de raspunsurile care vin de la HO pe de o parte si de la signpost pe de alta parte. Cu toti am vrea ca Home Office sa interpreteze legea asa cum e scrisa, dar.
     
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    am primit in sfarsit prima scrisoare pe aceasta tema de la home office in care mi se zice ca acel complaint care atinge exact contradictiile acestea a fost trimis la un anumit departament HO si ca in 4 saptamani voi primi un raspuns. de abia astept sa primesc pozitia lor cu privire la aceste chestii. cert e ca intre timp trebuie sa vad ce a mai facut MP-ul si daca a inaintat ceva la HO.
    cu privire la ce a zis dumi 81 se pare ca HO interpreteaza si foloseste acele masuri tranzitorii doar pt cei ce sunt in punctul sa palice pt indefinite. insqa noi ce ce am mai avea nevoie de o viza de 1 an se pare ca pierdem anii astia. insa vreau sa am raspunsul lor cu privire la aceste chestiuni. cum il am mai discutam. e bine totusi ca e pe rol cazul acesta. de accea incurajez pe toti in situatia asta sa scrie un complaint la Complaints Unit pt ca sa se sature de noi.
     
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    razvan1980,
    sper sa se rezolve pozitiv, faptul ca situatia ta este referita unor departamente din ce in ce mai specializate este incurajator.
    Tinem pumnii strinsi! Si ai dreptate, toti in aceeasi situatie ar trebuii sa te contacteze, sa vada ce scrisoare le-ai trimis si sa o foloseasca de tipar.
     
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    mersi pt incurajari ukok. astazi mi-a mai raspuns un MEP si mi-a zis ca cea mai buna solutie este sa il contactez pe MPul meu ceea ce am facut si el va contacta HO pt mine. eu am mare noroc ca TOny McNulty este MP pe zona mea. El e ministru la Home Office dar la alt departament insa pana in 2006 a fost ministru la immigration. cu siguranta stie despre ce este vorba insa din pacate nu am primit nici un raspuns de la el. mai asteptam. va incurajez din nou pe toti cei ce aveti viza de 3 ani fie sa faceti complaint la complaint unit. intrati pe www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk si mergeti la Contact Us sui jos de tot e adresa pt complaints.
    si in plus scrieti o scrisoare la MP-ul vostru. trimiteti-mi un mesaj personal daca sunteti interesati sau aveti prieteni interesati.
    daca nu scrieti bine in engleza formala contactati-ma si va ajut cu tot ce e. si daca aveti prieteni nu ezitati sa le spuneti de aceste chestii. trebuie sa fim cat mai multi ca sa vada ca e o problema reala.
    va multumesc pt sprijin.
     
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    mi-a scris si secretara lui Tony McNulty MP si mi-a confirmat ca a scris o scrisoare pe 2 ianuarie in favoarea mea ministrului ce se ocupa cu asa ceva de la Home Office. e bine ca avem mai multe rute si acum sa asteptam sa vedem ce miscari mai au loc.
     
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    buna tuturor,

    pt cei cu viza de 3 ani care vor sa scrie la MP-ul lor pun un format de scrisoare. Nu e perfecta dar e ok zic eu. scrieti cat mai multi ca sa facem putin tam tam.


    Numele MP-ului tau numele tau
    adresa
    telefon
    the House of Commons email
    London
    SW1A 0AA. Home Office ref no

    data


    Dear Mr/Mrs Numele lui,

    Indefinite Leave to Remain under ECAA


    I should like to draw your attention to a matter which will concern the Romanian and bulgarian nationals established in business under ECAA in your constituency. I am a constituent of yours and a Romanian established here with a strong interest in my immigration status in the United Kingdom.

    The Home Office deleted Art 211 to 221 from the Immigration Rules effective on 01/01/2007 due to our accession to the European Union. These changes are explained in the Explanatory Memorandum HC130 but in my understanding paragraph 7.5 brings in some new thing as transitional arrangements for someone like myself already established under the ECAA.

    But there is no information specifically about these transitional arrangements and how they will impact upon our stay and business in the United Kingdom. I phoned the Home Office's Immigration and Nationality Enquiry Bureau and they seem not to be aware of any such transitional arrangements and more worryingly that those years spent under ECAA will not count anymore for an application for ILR since we are now EU citizens.

    They failed to give me any reasonable explanation for such a decision and contradict themselves in what they advise us to do. I have a legitimate expectation to believe that upon the expiry of my leave I shall not be left in the dark but that these arrangements will be published and applied fairly. I should think that now being EU citizens cannot have less rights than when we were not.

    I refuse to believe that the years that I spent as a self-employed person under the ECAA will not be taken into account for an application for Indefinite Leave to Remain. I should be very happy to expand on these points if you find it necessary.

    I would kindly request that you raise this issue to the Immigration and Nationality minister and the Home Secretary. I am determined not to let this matter rest and I will complain to the Home Office about it and contact the European Commission representative in the United Kingdom. I would be very grateful if you could support us in our efforts to have our immigration rights recognised and not be discriminated against by the Home Office.


    Yours Sincerely,


    Numele tau
     
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    am primit un raspuns cam pe langa de la o MEP dar cred ca ne pune intreaga dezbatere argumente solide pe masa

    Dear Mr ...,



    Thank you for your email of 3rd January regarding the Government’s Statutory Instrument 1016: Statement of Changes to Immigration Rules. The Liberal Democrats ensured the Government debated this very important issue in committee on June 20th when we forced a vote on the proposed rule change.



    In committee, our Home Affairs Spokesman Nick Clegg stressed to the Immigration Minister Liam Byrne that whilst, in principle, the Liberal Democrats have no particular objection to extending the qualifying period for indefinite leave to remain, the retrospective effect is extremely unfair to those who have came to this country in good faith and established their lives here. Many such people have planned their lives, including mortgages, education arrangements and employment contracts around the four year rule, only to have their lives turned upside down on the eve of settlement.



    On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, Nick Clegg urged the Minister to put in place transitional arrangements for those affected. Sadly the Minister did not respond to his suggestions, nor was he able to provide a satisfactory explanation concerning the lack of transitional arrangements.



    With regard to the change in rules for trainee doctors and dentists, Nick Clegg stressed the need for greater consultation with the BMA and other interest groups. He emphasised concerns from within the medical profession regarding the problems the new rules would create in employing sufficiently qualified and experienced doctors, particularly in specialist fields. The debate in full can be read at:: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 620s01.htm .



    The Government won the vote at committee, allowing the new provisions to take effect immediately. However, the Liberal Democrats intend to keep pressing the Government on the justification of the retrospective effect of this rule change.





    Yours sincerely,







    Baroness Sarah Ludford MEP

    Liberal Democrat MEP for London
     
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    cam stressat fiind ca nu mai primesc nimic concret de pe nicaieri am primit asigurari ca mi se va raspunde cat de repede de la Comisia Europeana. asa ca avem sanse pe mai multe cai. va incurajez sa scrieti la acest Directorate-General daca vorbiti engleza excelent. trebuie sa prezentati cum statea situatia inainte si cum sta ea acum si ce drepturi ne-au fost rapite.
    let's be positive about it and stick together


    Dear Mr ...,

    My colleagues in the Citizenship Section of Directorate-General
    Justice, Freedom and Security, in Brussels, are looking into your complaint
    (and several others on the same subject) and they will respond directly
    to you as soon as is possible. Please bear in mind, that the section in
    question is small and the volume of enquiries at this present time
    (post-accession) is high. The Commission undertakes to reply to complaints
    within two months of their registration in the appropriate service.

    Best regards
    Jeff Lamb

    Research Assistant
    Outreach Section
    Representation of the European Commission in the UK
     
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    Eu am scris deja, pe aceeasi tema si am primit acelasi raspuns.
     
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    Scriu aceasta informatie in speranta ca mai aveti si voi alte surse de informatie ca sa aflati ce se intampla exact.
    Muncesc intr-un cabinet de contabilitate al unei bulgaroaice si am inteles ca,din multele ei conectii cu lume sus-pusa ,toti recomanda ca cei care au obtinut viza de self-employed pe 3 ani inainte de 1 ian 2007 sa stea linistiti si sa nu se mai inregistreze cu acel BR1,pt ca vi se iau astfel toate drepturile din trecut si e ca si cum va semnati singuri decizia ca renuntati la statutul avut anterior in UK si acceptati noile reguli de dupa 1 ian 2007,astfel incat anii anteriori legali in UK nu se mai calculeaza pt ILR.
    E bine sa se inregistreze cu BR-urile doar cei care au fost pana acum ilegal sau cei care de abia ajung in UK,astfel incat li se vor calcula anii de acum inainte pt ILR.
    Daca doriti mai multe informatii,nu ezitati sa ma contactati pe mail vascoron26@yahoo.co.uk sau la tel 02072219626 - birou si incerc sa va ajut cu orice sfat.
    Bafta tuturor!
     
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    Merci pentru informatie dar mi s-ar parea ciudat sa fie asa.

    Nu cred ca un drept poate sa anuleze alt drept. Aplicatia ca dependent pe BR1 nu ar trebui decat sa produca un card prin care, la nevoie, sa arati ca ai dreptul de a lucra in UK (cel putin pe perioada de tranzitie de 2 ani). Asta e doar un document care certifica un drept care il ai (la nevoie), statutul tau poate sa ramana de self employed in continuare.

    Voi ce ziceti ?
     
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    Eu tind sa cred ca ar putea manipula BR-urile in feleul descris mai sus, bazandu-se pe ideea ca BR defineste un statut post aderare.
     
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    BogdanM, trebuie sa facem diferenta intre dependentul de self care a lucrat timp de 12 luni si apoi aplica pentru un card albastru si self employed-ul care neavand un dependent cu 12 luni lucrate, aplica tot pe BR1 pt un certificat care sa confirme statutul sau de self employed!

    Vascoron26 se referea la self employed si nu la dependentul acestuia! Faptul ca dependentul va obtine un blue card nu are cum sa afecteze drepturile self employed-ului. Nu au nici o legatura!
     
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    A, scuze, am inteles eu gresit.
    Dar ca self employed, oricum nici nu e nevoie sa te inregistrezi, dupa cate stiu.
     
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    E bine sa precizam pentru a evita eventuale confuzii:

    Trebuie sa te inregistrezi obligatoriu la Inland Revenue, dar apoi nu esti obligat sa aplici pe baza BR1 pentru un "registration certificate". Acest lucru este optional si tot optional este si acel blue card pt cei care au lucrat 12 luni.

    Aceste certificate sau carduri nu fac decat sa confirme niste drepturi deja obtinute!!

    -ww-
     
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    Parteneru are dreptate. avem anumite drepturi si acel card nu face decat sa confirme ce drepturi ai deja.
    in privinta a ce se spunea despre cei cu viza de 3 ani si eu zic la fel. daca aplicati acum sub legea europeana cu aplicata BR 1 e normal ca nu o sa mai aveti nici un drept conferit sub UK law. mi se pare logic. asa ca de preferat e sa mai asteptam sa vedem ce raspunsuri primim si daca ii putem lua la curte.
     
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    guys am si eu o intrebare pt cei mai ascutiti in ce priveste limbajul legal britanic. cum intelegeti voi art 223 A din Immigration Rules:

    Notwithstanding paragraph 5, paragraphs 222 to 223 shall apply to a person who is entitled to remain in the United Kingdom by virtue of the provisions of the 2006 EEA Regulations.

    paragraph 5: (v) met the requirements of paragraph 222A throughout the period of 5 years;

    222A:222A. The requirements mentioned in paragraph 222(v) are that throughout the period of 5 years –

    (i) the applicant’s share of the profits of the business has been sufficient to maintain and accommodate himself and any dependants without recourse to employment (other than his work for the business) or to public funds; and


    (ii) he has not supplemented his business activities by taking or seeking employment in the United Kingdom (other than his work for the business); and


    (iii) he has satisfied the requirements in paragraph 222B or 222C.


    222B:. Where the applicant has established himself in a company in the United Kingdom which he effectively controls, the requirements for the purpose of paragraph 222A(iii) are that–


    (i) the applicant has been actively involved in the promotion and management of the company; and


    (ii) he has had a controlling interest in the company; and


    (iii) the company was registered in the United Kingdom and has been trading or providing services in the United Kingdom; and


    (iv) the company owned the assets of the business.

    222C:Where the applicant has established himself as a sole trader or in a partnership in the United Kingdom, the requirements for the purpose of paragraph 222A(iii) are that–


    (i) the applicant has been actively involved in trading or providing services on his own account or in a partnership in the United Kingdom; and


    (ii) the applicant owned, or together with his partners owned, the assets of the business; and


    (iii) in the case of a partnership, the applicant’s part in the business did not amount to disguised employment
     
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    Asa este. NU SE MAI CONSIDERA ANII DE INAINTE PENTRU INDEFINITE

    Si eu sunt in aceeasi situatie. Trebuie sa facem ceva. Cum putem lua legatura? Este adevarat ca o vom lua de la inceput. HO a confirmat aceasta situatie. Nr. meu de tel este 07967038374
     
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    Dezinformarea este mare intre romani. Am auzit persoane carora 'avocatii' le-au spus ca trebuie neaparat sa se inregistreze la HO si sa ceara certificatul doveditor ca sunt self. Altora cica li s-ar fi zis ca au nevoie chiar si de un business plan. Interesul 'avocatilor' e mare acum, am inteles ca taxeaza si 400 lire pentru un certificat de self. Si creduli sunt destui.
     
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    Hi Razvan

    sunt in aceeasi situatie ca si tine.Eu am sunat la Home Office (acum 2 saptamini)si tipul cu care am vorbit mi-a spus ca trebuie sa aplic in continuare sa iau in considerare scrisoarea primita de la ei (cea care mi-au atasat-o la pasaport cind am primit viza de 3 ani ) am sunat la numarul de telefon adnotat scrisorii de la ei , banuiesc ca depinde de departamentul unde scrii sau suni .ORICUM cei de la HO SUNT UN HAOS total nu mi-as mira sa fi facut o greseala...de interpretare ...probabil erau VERY HIGH din weekend .BY the way -de ce nu contactezi citizen advice bureau ?poate iti dau ei vreun tip de scrisoare sa faci complain fata de incompetenta unora.
    oricum iti doresc multa BAFTA ...pe curind
    flavia
     

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