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First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the UK

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    Home Office figures show Romanians not attracted to the UK labour market

    http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutu ... naccession

    A report released by the Home Office today, 22 May 2007, shows Romanians have not been attracted to the UK labour market in the three months following Romania’s accession to the EU.

    The data, published in 'Bulgarian and Romanian Accession Statistics: January – March 2007', shows the Home Office has processed a total of 5460 applications for work from Romanians since 1 January 2007, the date when Romania acceded to the EU. A further 890 Romanians were granted work cards under the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme.

    Key Statistics
    • 1445 of 5460 applications – approximately 25% – were from Romanians with unrestricted access to the labour market, a category which covers those Romanians working legally in the UK before 1 January 2007. Taking this into account, the data suggests that new long-term migration from Romania to the UK is less than 1000 people per month

    • The 5460 processed applications included 1955 from self-employed, 225 from students, and 1050 from family members

    • A particularly low take-up was evident through the Sector Based Scheme and Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme, arrangements under which the Home Office has reserved almost 20,000 places for A2 nationals. Less than 2700 Romanian and Bulgarian nationals combined had applied as at 31 March 2007

    • 70% of Romanians processed were between the ages of 25-44. Slightly over half of these were male. Romanians are working widely throughout the UK.

    The data was collected from actual applications to the Home Office under the almost 20 different registration schemes it operates for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals. Proportionately more Bulgarians than Romanians have come to the UK and applied for worker registration since these two countries joined the European Union.
     
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    ...not really dream country...
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    Invazie....Poate acum poate vor renunta la restrictii platesc pe aia de la home office de geaba!!!!!
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    vor renunta pe dracu
    ne tin cel putin 5 ani tot asa
    politica e cea mai mare XXXX
    XXXX!

    Atentie, fara vulgaritati
    Multumim.
     
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    I am not surprised about the statistics!
    This is the result of press campaign against foreigners, particularly Romanian and Bulgarian.

    The Government has been mentaining those restrictions just to keep a low profile of foreign invasion.
    Due to political purposes, we, Romanian and Bulgarian are being rejected by the UK and therefore people don't feel welcomed.

    What have they expected in those three months? The floodgate syndrom?

    In conclusion, there is a good moment to treat us as full EU members.

    Regards

    Nicole
     
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    My objective analysis:

    The figures are lower than most expectations especially considering that many of the certificates issued only confirm the status of pre-accession migrants. On the other hand some may argue that the statistics represent only the tip of the iceberg as many irregular migrants are not included. In addition a future escalation can be expected based on the gradual assimilation of "proven methods to emigrate" (self employed,student,family members etc) by potential migrants through various emigrant community networks. Overall it appears that the restrictions have been fairly effective in limiting potential emigration for legal employment purposes while driving romanian emigrants into self-employment, the black market and possibly illegal activities whether criminal (petty theft, prostitution) or not (begging, washing windscreens. corner selling etc).

    In any case low-skilled Romanian migration to the UK is not expected to reach nowhere near the scale of the Polish migration because the main waves have already consumed post 2002 with the main destinations beeing Spain and Italy. High skilled migration previously directed to Canada, USA, France, Germany and US will not constitute an important segment and only a slight increase to the UK may occur in the context of EU accession.

    In these circumstances the restrictions appear to be effective only in detering the legal migration for employment purposes of people with medium qualifications forcing them into temporary routes of self-employment, education, au-pair i.e the exercise of a treaty rights in order to become exempt from the regulation under EU law.
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    and some answers to Parliamentary Questions for you:

    Mr. Hands: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what meetings he (a) has held and (b) plans to hold with representatives of the Romanian and Bulgarian communities to discuss the operation of the Accession (Immigration and Worker Authorisation) Regulations 2006.

    Mr. Byrne: I have personally not met with any representatives of the Bulgarian and Romanian communities to discuss the operation of the Accession (Immigration and Worker Authorisation) Regulations 2006. Nor has a request been made to do so.

    Officials from the Border and Immigration Agency are in regular contact with officials at the Romanian and Bulgarian embassies in the United Kingdom. They participated in two seminars on the operation of the transitional arrangements in December 2006 and will continue to participate in any future events arranged.


    Mr. Hands: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many fines have been issued since 1 January 2007 to (a) Romanian and (b) Bulgarian workers found to be working illegally in the UK.

    Mr. Byrne: As of 29 April, 42 fixed penalty notices have been served; 38 on Romanian nationals and four on Bulgarian nationals.



    Mr. Hands: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how many employers have been fined since 1 January 2007 for employing (a) Romanian and (b) Bulgarian workers illegally.

    Mr. Byrne: As of 29 April, no employers have been prosecuted for employing Romanian and Bulgarian nationals without the correct permission to work in the United Kingdom, as we have been working with employers in other ways to ensure compliance with the Regulations which govern the employment of Romanian and Bulgarian nationals.



    Mr. Hands: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what evidence workers from Romania and Bulgaria are required to produce to demonstrate their self-employed status under the Accession (Immigration and Worker Authorisation) Regulations 2006.

    Mr. Byrne: Bulgarian and Romanian nationals engaged in self-employed activities are subject to the same regulatory regime as a UK national engaged in such an activity. The same level of evidence is required as would be necessary for a UK national to establish that activity undertaken is genuine self-employment.

    Nationals from the two states in question are not required to carry at all times documentation confirming their status in the United Kingdom. A worker’s employment status for tax and National Insurance purposes is determined by the terms and conditions under which they work and is based on case law. Should they be questioned regarding their activities by an Immigration official conducting an illegal working investigation, that official will seek to establish if the activity being undertaken is genuine self-employment. It is the responsibility of both the worker and those he purports to provide services for to ensure that the relationship is one of genuine self-employment, and not an attempt to mask an employer-employee relationship.
     
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    What we need to concentrate on is to make sure that our voice gets heard and that eventually ALL the restrictions will be lifted in 2008. That's what we all want. Now, there is no logical reason to keep those restrictions anyway. I think this is a good momentum for us and the political context of the UK is suitable for a decision in our favour. So, let's hope for the best for Romanian and Bulgarians.
     
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    I very much doubt that they made £42k out of illegal workers. It would be interesting to know how many of those fixed penalty notices have been paid and what happened to the illegal workerss.

    The British must come to terms with the EU because sooner or later they must treat every EU citizen the same. We all signed up to a treaty whose terms and conditions specify the freedom of movement for people, trade, capital and services. If they don't agree to that they should quit the EU. Otherwise they must realise that there is no way back and these restrictions are counter-productive.

    To be honest, I tend to believe that they imposed the restrictions because they only need two types of migrants: the highly skilled and the illegals. Illegal workers form an important part of the informal economy, those people doing the 3D jobs (dificult, dangerous, dirty). As mr Byrne says the restrictions ensure that they only receive those migrants benefiting the UK economy... there is some truth in that.
     
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    Restric?iile de munc? pentru rom?ni - prelungite

    LONDRA - Ministerul britanic de Interne consider? c? restric?iile impuse pe pia?a muncii pentru cet??enii provenind din Rom?nia ?i Bulgaria ar trebui men?inute cel pu?in ?nc? un an, informeaz? s?pt?m?nalul britanic The Observer.


    Aceste restric?ii urmau s? fie analizate pentru o eventual? anulare spre sf?r?itul anului.

    Num?rul rom?nilor ?i bulgarilor care ar merge ?n Marea Britanie pentru a-?i c?uta un loc de munc?, ?n cazul ?n care actualele restric?ii ar fi ridicate, este estimat ?ntre 40.000 ?i 300.000.

    Temerile Ministerului de Interne sunt accentuate de faptul c? estim?rile anterioare ale fenomenului s-au dovedit mult prea mici fa?? de ceea ce s-a ?nt?mplat. ?n 2005, ?n Marea Britanie au sosit 400 de mii de imigran?i, majoritatea din Europa de Est, ?n timp ce guvernul nu a?tepta dec?t 185.000.

    What do you think about this?
     
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    cum spunea si Gabriel :"hai sa nu ne enervam"! :mad:
     
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    sa asteptam si pe ruma ne ambalam si chiar si daca nu amabalam tot nimic rezolvam, ca sa zic asa -blah-
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    aici eu cred ca se practica sitemul " tapul bs iar capra paste rusinea", pai daca din 8 tari de "voiajori" ca polonezii chiar sunt voiajori , au avut 400k de emigranti nu s-or astepta la tot atata si din partea a doua tari mici ca ro si bg , dar cum a zis gabriel nu are sens sa na enervam , suntem o leaca mai capabili de atat 3s
     
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    Chiar si daca ne-ar tine "legati cu mainile la spate" ca sa nu venim aici sa le luam job-urile, romanul tot se va descurca...istoria ne-a modelat astfel incat sa ne adaptam cat mai usor la orice situatie! Insa...iti vine in minte urmatoarea intrebare: oare din care Europa facem parte - din cea mare si unita, sau dintr-o Europa a leprosilor si a refuzatilor societatii?!?!? Unde mai e dreptatea si egalitate care l-i s-a aplicat altor state(ca Polonia) in 2004, si care nu cred ca sunt atat de mult dezvoltate fata de noi...om fi avut noi ghinionul sa aderam la UE intr-un an ghinionist, sau care sa fie explicatia pt care suntem "expulzati" asa de pe scena UE??? Hai sa fim sinceri, nu cred ca suntem atat de leprosi sau puturosi incat sa ne urasca ata de mult englezoii... -violent- -violent- eu zic ca vor face tot posibilul sa ne taie franghiile romanilor si bulgarilor aici in UK(chiar daca vor duce o politica mascata de "apropiere" fata de nolie state membre).insa asta nu inseamna ca nu ne putem face si noi auziti, sa ne cerem drepturile! poate, poate, cu ajutor din partea unor alte state membre vom putea forta, macar putin, mana UK-ului...desi ma cam indoiesc... -violent-
    Speranta moare ultima!

    Ps: Sa fiti iubiti! Sa auzim numai de bine! -wave-
     
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    Pana la urma stie cineva concret cand vor anunta oficial daca ridica restrictiile sau nu?
    Cand e termenul limita?
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    Saptamana aceasta ar fi trebuit sa se anunte decizia forumului despre impactul emigrarii, decizie ce ar trebui sa influenteze decizia guvernului. Inca mai asteptam, sau poate s-au razgandit sa ia o decizie cu perspectiva aceasta a alegerilor.
     
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    Did I get it right that the statistic was counting untill march 07? Than it is not THAT relevant as I would imagine that many more people came AFTer that.I would imagine that many more came after the winter in romania was over, probably during summer, when children were on holiday and could be left with grandparents for instance. Also, many thousands would come here and do not apply for WP at HO. And one more thing: it is not surprising that not many aplyed to work in agriculture, as the salaries there are a laugh.
     
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    Re: First Home Office data on the numbers of Romanians applying to work in the U

    Figures are released quarterly, so a new set is imminent. Approx 50,000 Romanians and Bulgarians combined will have applied in the calendar year 2007. The figures do not count new entrants, however, but applicants. Many of these applicants will already have been in the UK and working legally prior to 1 Jan 2007 (indeed there is a column in the Home Office data identifying this group yet they are still added to the cumulative total).

    From Travel and Tourism data twice as many people travel from the UK to Ro, as from Ro to UK. Although there are some major methodological flaws with the International Passenger Survey, the portrait it paints is of an outward flow of Romanians from the UK.
     

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