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  1. backtrack

    backtrack New Member

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    da, Home Office nu prea are la inima EU :); pacat ca ai mers pe varianta de la 0 din 2007; ma indoiesc ca cei de la HO o sa te sune si sa iti spuna ca poti aplica pentru cetatenie -dans-

    Daca ai venit in ianuarie 2005 in 2010 erai PR deci in ianuarie 2011 puteai sa aplici pentru cetatenie.
     
  2. iancuflorian93

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    Nu am avut de ales ,am trebuit sa o iau de la 0 in 2007.In lege spune ca trebuie sa ai 5 ai in acelasi tip de statut ,deci nu puteam 2 ani Work Permit si 3 EU ,Am sunat in 2010 si tot asa a spus si HO.
     
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    Nu trebuia sa suni la HO ca ei au 10 raspunsuri diferite la 10 telefoane; in EU law scrie altfel.
    Daca nu se aplica corect legea in UK atunci mergi la SOLVIT care iti rezolva problema!

    Uite un caz concret: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 24:EN:HTML

    Important de retinut din document:

    " Periods of residence completed by a national of a non‑Member State in the territory of a Member State before the accession of the non‑Member State to the European Union must, in the absence of specific provisions in the Act of Accession, be taken into account for the purpose of the acquisition of the right of permanent residence under Article 16(1) of Directive 2004/38, provided those periods were completed in compliance with the conditions laid down in Article 7(1) of the directive."

    Deci atata timp cat te incadrezi la Article 7(1):

    Article 7 of Directive 2004/38, entitled ‘Right of residence for more than three months’, is worded as follows:

    ‘1. All Union citizens shall have the right of residence on the territory of another Member State for a period of longer than three months if they:

    (a) are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State; or

    (b) have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence and have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State; or

    (c) – are enrolled at a private or public establishment, accredited or financed by the host Member State on the basis of its legislation or administrative practice, for the principal purpose of following a course of study, including vocational training; and

    – have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State and assure the relevant national authority, by means of a declaration or by such equivalent means as they may choose, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence; or

    (d) are family members accompanying or joining a Union citizen who satisfies the conditions referred to in points (a), (b) or (c).


    ...esti ok pentru:

    Article 16 of Directive 2004/38, entitled ‘General rule for Union citizens and their family members’, which forms part of Chapter IV thereof, entitled ‘Right of permanent residence, is worded as follows:

    ‘1. Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.


    Parca mai erau cazuri similare unde cetateni EU din A2 nationals au aplicat pentru ILR prin 2010 si au primit PR under EEA; nu ai citit legea unde trebuie iancuflorin -ras4-
     
  4. iancuflorian93

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    Da este adevarat dar daca citesti bine este vorba de polonez care a intrat in UE in 2004
     
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    lol, deci asta ai dedus tu din decizie? no comment! -ras2-

    " Periods of residence completed by a national of a non‑Member State in the territory of a Member State before the accession of the non‑Member State to the European Union must, in the absence of specific provisions in the Act of Accession, be taken into account for the purpose of the acquisition of the right of permanent residence under Article 16(1) of Directive 2004/38, provided those periods were completed in compliance with the conditions laid down in Article 7(1) of the directive."
     
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    Hi there!
    Ce se mai aude cu aplicatiile celor care au trimis actele pt Permanent Residence - 5 ani?
    A primit careva un semn de la HO?
    Eu am trimis actele pe 15 Ianuarie si pana acum nici o veste. Actele au fost primite imediat , a doua zi (puse - Special Delivery)...dar sa am un document de confirmare ..nimic..
    Astept vesti de la voi!
    O zi frumoasa!
    Andreiuta12345
     
  7. iancuflorian93

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    Si eu am depus pe 11 ianuarie pe 12 le-au primit(special delivery0 si tot nicio veste ,asteptam sa vedem cine ia primul
     
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    nimic nici la mine,le-am trimis pe 16!va anunt daca apare ceva!
     
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    Am fost la un solicitor foarte bun si mi-a zis ca pot aplica pentru naturalizare(naturalisation ) cu formularul AN care costa £836 .
    Ea mi-a zis ca noi astia cu Blue Card avem deja permanenet residence .Permanent Residence este blue card-ul.Deci tot trebuie sa facem noi e sa aplicam cu AN direct ptr, cetatenie si nu cu EEA3 care este ptr .permanent residence.Am sunat si la HO si am intrebat care este diferenta intre AN si EEA3 ca amandoua au aceleasi cerinte 5 ani de locuit si lucrat legal in uk .Tanti aia mi-a zis ca daca ma incadrez ptr AN atunci pot sa aplic cu AN.Deci nici aia nu stia ce sa zica , ce sa raspunda.Sunt in ceata completa .

    Acum nu stiu ce sa fac .Sa cheltui £ 836 si aplic cu AN sau sa nu cheltui nici un ban si sa aplic cu EEA3 si apoi sa mai satept inca un an sa aplic ptr cetatenie?
    -nas- -nas- -nas- -nas- -nas- -nas- -nas-
     
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    Evidence that you are free from immigration time restrictions

    You should provide:

    your passport showing permission to remain in the UK permanently; or
    the Home Office letter giving you permission to remain in the UK permanently.
     
  11. Dio

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    Nu ai cum sa aplici ptr cetatenie britanica ca RO/BG, decat daca te incadrezi in cazuistica Carussi (combinatie de ECAA inainte de 2007 cu SE treaty rights dupa 2007).

    Aplicatia de cetatenie britanica prin naturalizare de care pomenesti (formularul AN) implica 6 ani de rezidenta in UK, din care primii 5 ani in capacitate de ‘exercise of treaty rights’, deci perioada de eligibilitate ptr RO/BG abia dupa 1 ianuarie 2013 incepe.

    Cand aplici direct ptr cetatenie britanica prin naturalizare fara a avea rezidenta permanenta ai de-a face cu o aplicatie combinata… a) va trebui sa depui toata documentatia ca ai exercitat ‘treaty rights’ pe perioada primilor 5 ani in UK si b) indeplinesti conditiile ptr cetatenie britanica prin naturalizare.

    O astfel de aplicatie e mult mai complexa, lucreaza la ea doua departamente diferite si implicit dureaza mult mai mult… Chiar daca romanul e specialist la toate, evitati DIY, ptr ca nu e softcore, e hardcore.

    In orice caz, avocata la care ai fost te-a informat asupra pretului corect, e intr-adevar £836.
     
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    "Aplicatia de cetatenie britanica prin naturalizare de care pomenesti (formularul AN) implica 6 ani de rezidenta in UK, din care primii 5 ani in capacitate de ‘exercise of treaty rights’, deci perioada de eligibilitate ptr RO/BG abia dupa 1 ianuarie 2013 incepe."

    Asta ai scris tu .Nu ti-am spus ca eu am venit in uk pe 03/08/2005 cu au-pair visa pe 2 ani 2005-2007.Deci eu am 5 ani in capacitate de exercise of treaty right +plus inca 2 ani de rezidenta in uk = 7ani de uk .(aproape pe 3 /aug.2012 fac 7 ani fix).

    SPalsh a scris lui IancuFlorin urmatoarele:
    « Daca ai venit in ianuarie 2005 in 2010 erai PR deci in ianuarie 2011 puteai sa aplici pentru cetatenie »
    esti ok pentru:

    Article 16 of Directive 2004/38, entitled ‘General rule for Union citizens and their family members’, which forms part of Chapter IV thereof, entitled ‘Right of permanent residence, is worded as follows:

    “‘1. Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.”

    Si pana la urma cine are dreptate?
    Cred ca solicitorul la care am fost luni si mi-a spus ca trebuie sa aplic cu AN form -Naturalisation .
    Mai are cineva pareri si opinii?
    Multam
     
  13. iancuflorian93

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    Problema este ca din 2005 pana in 2007 cand am luat Blue Certificatul ne-am incadrat la un tip de viza ,adica Work permit din 2007 s-a sters cu buretele si s-a inceput de la zero.Home officeul a spus ca trebuie sa fi in acelasi tip de viza 5 ani continu
     
  14. Dio

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    Asa cum am spus, ca RO/BG nu esti eligibil ptr nationalitate decat dupa 1 ianuarie 2013. Mai clar de atat nu ma pot exprima.

    Mergi la avocatul care te-a indrumat sa aplici si spune-i ca nu poate combina HC395 cu EEA Regs 2006 in scopul obtinerii de Permanent Residence/ Nationality decat cu exceptia la care m-am referit.

    E foarte usor sa devii avocat in UK, de asta bransa abunda de cowboys.
     
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    Splash and Lancelot au scris asta:

    "iancuflorian93 wrote:Nu am avut de ales ,am trebuit sa o iau de la 0 in 2007.In lege spune ca trebuie sa ai 5 ai in acelasi tip de statut ,deci nu puteam 2 ani Work Permit si 3 EU ,Am sunat in 2010 si tot asa a spus si HO.


    Nu trebuia sa suni la HO ca ei au 10 raspunsuri diferite la 10 telefoane; in EU law scrie altfel.
    Daca nu se aplica corect legea in UK atunci mergi la SOLVIT care iti rezolva problema!

    Uite un caz concret: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 24:EN:HTML

    Important de retinut din document:

    " Periods of residence completed by a national of a non Member State in the territory of a Member State before the accession of the non Member State to the European Union must, in the absence of specific provisions in the Act of Accession, be taken into account for the purpose of the acquisition of the right of permanent residence under Article 16(1) of Directive 2004/38, provided those periods were completed in compliance with the conditions laid down in Article 7(1) of the directive."

    Deci atata timp cat te incadrezi la Article 7(1):

    Article 7 of Directive 2004/38, entitled ‘Right of residence for more than three months’, is worded as follows:

    ‘1. All Union citizens shall have the right of residence on the territory of another Member State for a period of longer than three months if they:

    (a) are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State; or

    (b) have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence and have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State; or

    (c) – are enrolled at a private or public establishment, accredited or financed by the host Member State on the basis of its legislation or administrative practice, for the principal purpose of following a course of study, including vocational training; and

    – have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State and assure the relevant national authority, by means of a declaration or by such equivalent means as they may choose, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence; or

    (d) are family members accompanying or joining a Union citizen who satisfies the conditions referred to in points (a), (b) or (c).


    ...esti ok pentru:

    Article 16 of Directive 2004/38, entitled ‘General rule for Union citizens and their family members’, which forms part of Chapter IV thereof, entitled ‘Right of permanent residence, is worded as follows:

    ‘1. Union citizens who have resided legally for a continuous period of five years in the host Member State shall have the right of permanent residence there. This right shall not be subject to the conditions provided for in Chapter III.


    Parca mai erau cazuri similare unde cetateni EU din A2 nationals au aplicat pentru ILR prin 2010 si au primit PR under EEA; nu ai citit legea unde trebuie iancuflorin



    This section covers you if the country to which you belong is part of the European
    Economic Area or Switzerland.
    New immigration regulations came into force on 30 April 2006. If you are a national of a
    country which is a member state of the EEA or Switzerland, or the family member of such a
    person, you will automatically have permanent residence status after exercising EEA free
    movement rights in the UK for any continuous period of 5 years ending on or after 30 April
    2006, and therefore will not have to apply for indefinite leave to remain. But remember
    that, unless married to or the civil partner of a British citizen, you should normally have
    held permanent resident status for 12 months before applying for naturalisation. This
    means that you may need to wait until you have been in the United Kingdom for 6 years
    before you can apply.

    If you are from one of these countries that joined the EC on 1 January 2007 you will not
    have acquired permanent residence in the UK on the basis of 5 years’ exercise of EEA free
    movement or establishment rights until 1 January 2012 at the earliest. You should also bear
    in mind that, if you are not married to or the civil partner of a British citizen, you will need
    to have been free of immigration restrictions for a further 12 months after acquiring
    permanent residence"

    Deci ei spun minciuni sau adevarul?Adica ei au scris din legea data de HO si tu spui ca nu se poate?
    HMMMM
     
  16. Dio

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    Gaga, chiar nu vad pic o logica in rationamentul tau si cu asta inchei subiectul.

    Ai decupat cinci citate aleatorii din autori diferiti, ai adoptat pozitia surdo-mutului, nu spui ce doresti sau ce nu intelegi…

    E foarte greu de comunicat in sensul asta, cand omenirea exista si progreseaza pe principii logice.

    a) HC 395 duce/ducea la ILR (e vorba de ‘immigration rules’, care de fapt nu are nici o tangenta cu legislatia europeana)… asta a apus ptr RO/BG ptr ca se folosea inainte de 2007, de fapt a existat pana mai acum 2 luni pe ruta ECAA si foarte restrans in cazul casatoriilor cu cetateni britanici ptr ca se putea obtine ILR/ILE printr-un ‘shortcut’ de doar 3 ani#

    b) EEA Regs 2006 e legislatia europeana curenta derivata din Directiva 38/2004/EC. RO/BG beneficiaza de aceste prevederi doar din 2007… iar de aici poti obtine rezidenta permanenta prin 5 ani de ‘exercise of treaty rights’ (adica eligibilitate din ian 2012) sau cetatenie din 2013

    Asadar, nu poti cumula perioade de sederi legale din a) si b) in scopul obtinerii de rezidenta permanenta/ILR/cetatenie. Nu se pupa ILR cu rezidenta permanenta, implicit nici HC 395 cu EEA Regs 2006... ce anume nu intelegi aici???

    1. Ori aplici ptr ILR/ILE prin HC 395 iar dupa inca un an esti eligibil ptr cetatenie
    2. Ori aplici ptr rezidenta permanenta prin EEA Regs 2006 si dupa un an poti aplica ptr cetatenie

    Daca insisti, scuze, dar ma declar invins. Mai logic de atat nu pot.
     
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    Nicio veste de la Home Office ?? nu a primit nimeni Rezidenta Permanenta?
     
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    Nici la mine ..deocamdata..nimic...Se lasa asteptat..Cine stie prin ce sertar sau sac o fi dosarul meu...clar ca mai am de asteptat:)
    Keep'n touch!:)
    Andreea
     
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    ati vazut ultima noutate pe ukba?? Banuiesc ca e numai pt ...restul lumii :) nu si pt EU deoarece formularele nu par sa se fi modificat, iar biometric residence permits se faceau doar pt nonEU, insa nu scrie nicaieri....

    "Biometric residence permits are being introduced for more immigration categories

    14 February 2012

    From Wednesday 29 February 2012, all applicants in the UK will need to obtain a biometric residence permit if they are applying to stay here for more than 6 months. This includes applicants for permission to settle here (known as 'indefinite leave to remain').

    To obtain a permit, applicants will need to enrol their biometric information (fingerprints and facial image).

    If you are applying in the UK on or after this date (whether applying by post, in person or online), you should use the correct application form. Please pay careful attention to the date shown on the cover of the application form.

    If you are applying in person at one of our public enquiry offices under our premium service, and you have booked an appointment on or after 29 February, you must bring the correct form with you to avoid delay."
     

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