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  1. negrutxa

    negrutxa New Member

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    Multumim Lord Mandelson.

    Recrutarile se fac in functie de calificari si experienta, de atitudine si perspective, cu ce sunt vinovati Est europenii ca stau mai bine la acest capitol decat unii dintre nativii englezi? Ei inca nu au inteles ce inseamna libera circulatie a bunurilor, serviciilor, muncii in EU...criteriile nu sunt in fuctie de nationalitate! Un englez poate fi in concurenta directa cu un chinez stabilit in America cand aplica pentru un job de ex.

    Suntem apreciati in mod public si poate acei dintre voi negativisti care prefera sa se considere victime ale discriminarii, rasismului etc, isi mai schimba pararea despre UK si romanii din UK. Nu suntem singuri, parerile sunt impartite dar sunt si multe voci de partea noastra ! Nu putem generaliza.

    Sursa:
    http://www.romani-online.co.uk/actualit ... -jobs.html


    :woohoo:
     
  2. taranu

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    De cand au inceput campania discriminatorie "British jobs for british workers" pana si pe gumtree.co.uk sunt postate anunturi de cerere de munca cu titlul: British looking for work si chiar la joburi platite cu minim pe economie.
     
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    Nu stiu daca-si are locul aici, dau copy paste:

    "Robert Fraser , consilierul de Ratby and Groby , Leicestershire a fost suspendat din functie de catre partidul conservator.



    Acestuia i s-a impus de asemenea sa urmeze cursuri de diversitate culturala si egalitate sociala, pe care le va plati personal, informeaza romani.co.uk citand Leicester Mercury.




    Cu cateva zile in urma, consilierul a fost inregistrat intr-o sedinta publica a consilului local din localitatea Groby facand comentarii ofensive la adresa cetanilor romani declarand ca “Romanii (te) pot injunghia , imediat dupa ce se uita la tine “ , iar unii europeni fac “ irlandezii sa para niste amatori “.


    Inregistarea conversatiei a fost publicata pe YouTube si a fost vazuta de peste 400 de persone .



    Consilierul Fraser , a fost suspendat din grupul Conservator din comitatul Leicestershire la ordinul liderului consiliului , David Parsons, care a caracterizat viziunea consilerului suspendat ca si “nepotrivita “ a declarat ca
    “(… ) Rob are nevoie sa mearga la astfel de curs , (.... ) si acest curs nu va fi finantat din banii contribuabililor . Costurile integrale vor fi suportate de el “
    Dupa acest curs situatia consilierului Fraser va fi revizuita si vom re-considera daca va fi repus in functie.

    Declaratia oficiala a grupul Conservativ al consiliului comitatului Leicester citeaza : “ nu putem sustine remarcile facute de consilierul Fraser si am luat masuri imediate sa ne asiguram ca acesta este atentionat de gravitatea acestei fapte “



    Ambasada Romaniei la Londra a declarat ca inregistrarea comentariilor consilierului Fraser a avut o audienta destul de larga in presa Romania si a ofensat multa lume .
    Ambasadorul Jinga considera ca afirmatiile sunt "absolut regretabile si complet nedrepte “
     
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    Regretam acest incident nedrept.
    Cum? Nu ajunge? S-o mai spunem odata?

    Apropo cui a declarat ambasadorul chestia asta? Vreunui jurnalist roman nu-i asa? Lasa ca apare o stire la tv in Romania, noi regretam, trece... Noi sa fim sanatosi, sa putem sa ne incasam indemnizatiile.
    Am si eu dreptul sa consider ca personalul din ambasadele Romaniei "e regretabil si complet inutil"?:S
     
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    Sincer ma asteptam la acest rezultat...Deci pt tariile aderate in 2004 , UK-ul a recurs la schema 5+2 ani de restrictii....
    Am o presimtire sumbra ca si pt A2 vor face la fel...Sper sa fie numai o presimtire....


    Toate cele bune ,


    Bivo
     
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    As vrea sa fiu si eu cetatean A8 cu restrictii. Numai ca A2 are alt tip de restrictii. Nu vad care e problema in privinta A8. Ca nu poti cere beneficii din prima zi in care ajungi in UK? Mi se pare cel putin imoral sa te plangi ca ai restrictii, ca cetatean A8, cand romanii si bulgarii, membri ai aceleiasi Uniuni Europene, trebuie sa se zbata pt tot felul de carduri, doar pt a duce o viata civilizata, respectand legile. Cand pleci intr-o tara straina, nu te duci cu scopul de a cere beneficii.
     
  9. Dio

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    Exista o mica diferenta in ceea ce priveste A8 (Polonia, etc) si A2 (RO/BG) in relatia cu UK..

    Ptr A8, WRS* nu restrictioneaza accesul pe piata muncii in UK. In schimb, ptr A2 situatia e total diferita – WAS** restrictioneaza accesul cetatenilor A2 pe piata muncii. In cazul in care UK doreste sa prelungeasca restrictiile ptr A2 dupa 1 ianuarie 2012 va avea nevoie de o derogare din partea Comisiei Europene.


    * Worker Registration Scheme
    ** Worker Autorisation Scheme
     
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    Bivo[/quote]

    Exista o mica diferenta in ceea ce priveste A8 (Polonia, etc) si A2 (RO/BG) in relatia cu UK..

    Ptr A8, WRS* nu restrictioneaza accesul pe piata muncii in UK. In schimb, ptr A2 situatia e total diferita – WAS** restrictioneaza accesul cetatenilor A2 pe piata muncii. In cazul in care UK doreste sa prelungeasca restrictiile ptr A2 dupa 1 ianuarie 2012 va avea nevoie de o derogare din partea Comisiei Europene.


    * Worker Registration Scheme
    ** Worker Autorisation Scheme[/quote]

    Stiam ca nu restrictioneaza total accesul la piata muncii celor din A8.Dar totusi cei din A8 sunt obligati sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin Worker Registration Scheme ori de cate ori isi schimba jobul , si abia dupa 12 luni lucrate legal pot aplica si ei pt EEA Registration Certificate (blue card ) ....Singura diferenta intre A2 si A8 e ca cei din A8 se pot angaja bine merci , numai ca in termen de 30 de zile ar trebui sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin schema Worker Registration Scheme....

    Toate cele bune ,

    Bivo
     
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    Exista o mica diferenta in ceea ce priveste A8 (Polonia, etc) si A2 (RO/BG) in relatia cu UK..

    Ptr A8, WRS* nu restrictioneaza accesul pe piata muncii in UK. In schimb, ptr A2 situatia e total diferita – WAS** restrictioneaza accesul cetatenilor A2 pe piata muncii. In cazul in care UK doreste sa prelungeasca restrictiile ptr A2 dupa 1 ianuarie 2012 va avea nevoie de o derogare din partea Comisiei Europene.


    * Worker Registration Scheme
    ** Worker Autorisation Scheme[/quote]

    Stiam ca nu restrictioneaza total accesul la piata muncii celor din A8.Dar totusi cei din A8 sunt obligati sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin Worker Registration Scheme ori de cate ori isi schimba jobul , si abia dupa 12 luni lucrate legal pot aplica si ei pt EEA Registration Certificate (blue card ) ....Singura diferenta intre A2 si A8 e ca cei din A8 se pot angaja bine merci , numai ca in termen de 30 de zile ar trebui sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin schema Worker Registration Scheme....

    Toate cele bune ,

    Bivo[/quote]


    WRS nu restrictioneaza DELOC, accesul A8 pe piata muncii din UK. Sa nu uitam ca UK, Irlanda si Suedia au fost singurele tari din UE care nu au restrictionat accesul A8 pe piata muncii in mai 2004.
     
  12. bivo

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    Dio a scris:
    Stiam ca nu restrictioneaza total accesul la piata muncii celor din A8.Dar totusi cei din A8 sunt obligati sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin Worker Registration Scheme ori de cate ori isi schimba jobul , si abia dupa 12 luni lucrate legal pot aplica si ei pt EEA Registration Certificate (blue card ) ....Singura diferenta intre A2 si A8 e ca cei din A8 se pot angaja bine merci , numai ca in termen de 30 de zile ar trebui sa se inregistreze cu Home Office prin schema Worker Registration Scheme....

    Toate cele bune ,

    Bivo[/quote]


    WRS nu restrictioneaza DELOC, accesul A8 pe piata muncii din UK. Sa nu uitam ca UK, Irlanda si Suedia au fost singurele tari din UE care nu au restrictionat accesul A8 pe piata muncii in mai 2004.[/quote]

    Dio uite postez aici niste legi priving WRS , destinate celor din A8 , cele 8 tari aderate la 1 mai 2004.
    Ce vrei tu sa spui eu te inteleg.Un ungur spre deosebire de un roman se poate angaja bine merci , fara sa aibe nevoie de carduri multicolore....De exemplu un roman care doreste sa lucreze part-time e musai sa fie in posesia unul yellow card de student care sa ii dea dreptul de munci maxim 20 de ore pe saptamana....
    Ori cei din A8 sunt OBLIGATI sa se inregistreze la Home Office in schema WRS daca doresc sa lucreze pt un angajator englez mai mult de o luna.Dupa ce se inregistreaza in schema da , si ei primesc de la Home Office un card care sa le specifice statutul lor.Ei au drept de lucru partial , piata muncii pt ei nu este deschisa total.Altfel de ce s-a mai scris pe site la Home Office si in presa , ca se vor mentine restrictiile pt A8 cu inca 2 ani ?!

    Worker Registration Scheme

    This page explains what the Worker Registration Scheme (WRS) is and who needs to apply.

    If you are a national of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia or Slovenia and want to work for one month or more for a United Kingdom employer you must register under the WRS.

    For full details on the requirements to register under the WRS and for information on how to register you should read the Worker Registration Scheme section.

    Once you have been working legally in the United Kingdom for 12 months without a break you will have full rights of free movement and will no longer need to register on the WRS. You can then get a registration certificate confirming your right to live and work in the United Kingdom, although you are not obliged to do so. Details on how to apply for registration certificate are on the applying page.
    This section explains what the worker registration scheme is and who needs to register. It also offers advice for both workers and employers.



    The Worker Registration Scheme was introduced in 2004 when new countries joined the European Union. It allows us to monitor where citizens of those countries (except Malta and Cyprus) are coming into our labour market, the type of work they are doing, and the impact this has on our economy.

    You will normally have to register under the Worker Registration Scheme if you wish to work for an employer in the United Kingdom for more than one month and are a citizen of:

    Czech Republic;
    Estonia;
    Hungary;
    Latvia;
    Lithuania;
    Poland;
    Slovakia; or
    Slovenia.

    See Workers for information on how and when to apply, and what we will do.

    Once you have been working in the United Kingdom legally for 12 months without a break in employment, you will no longer have to register on the Worker Registration Scheme. You can then obtain a residence permit confirming your right to live and work in the United Kingdom. See For European citizens for information on obtaining a residence permit.

    Employers also have obligations under the Worker Registration Scheme.

    Employment agencies should know the rules about the advice they can legally give to workers.

    A number of organisations can provide help or useful information while you are working here. See Contact for more details.



    Who must register?

    This page explains who is required to register under the Worker Registration Scheme and what exceptions there are to this requirement.

    European Community law gives you the right to live in the United Kingdom if you are working here or you have enough money to support yourself without help from public funds.

    However, you will normally have to register under the Worker Registration Scheme if you wish to work for an employer in the United Kingdom for more than one month and are a citizen of:

    Czech Republic;
    Estonia;
    Hungary;
    Latvia;
    Lithuania;
    Poland;
    Slovakia; or
    Slovenia.

    Who is exempt from registration?
    You are not required to register if you:

    are self-employed;
    have been working legally in the United Kingdom for 12 months without a break in employment;
    are providing services in the United Kingdom on behalf of an employer who is not established in this country;
    have dual citizenship of the United Kingdom, another country within the European Economic Area (EEA) that is not listed above, or Switzerland;
    are the family member of a Swiss or EEA citizen (except the countries listed above) and that person is working in the United Kingdom; or
    are the family member of a Swiss or EEA citizen who is living in the United Kingdom as a student, or a retired or self-sufficient person.
    If you are self-employed, you do not need to register under the Worker Registration Scheme, but you must contact HM Revenue & Customs immediately to register for tax purposes. There is a £100 fine for late registration.

    Once you have completed 12 months work with no more than 30 days break, you will no longer need to register on the Worker Registration Scheme. If you wish, you can then obtain a registration certificate confirming your right to live and work in the United Kingdom, although you are not obliged to do so.

    If you are exempt from registration on the Worker Registration Scheme, you can obtain a registration certificate confirming your status, although you are not obliged to do so.

    To obtain a registration certificate, you will need to complete application form EEA1. See For European citizens for more information.

    If you are the family member of an EEA citizen, you can obtain a residence card that confirms this. You will need to complete application form EEA2. See For European citizens for more information.

    You can contact us for more information on immigration issues. There is no dedicated enquiry helpline for the Worker Registration Scheme and you cannot make enquiries or applications in person at our public enquiry offices.




    Workers
    This page gives information to workers who wish to register to work in the United Kingdom under the Worker Registration Scheme. For details of who is required to register, see Who must register?

    When should I register?
    You should apply to register with the Worker Registration Scheme as soon as you start a new job in the United Kingdom. You should not apply until you have started work.

    If you do not apply within one month of starting a job, your employment will be unlawful after that date. It will then be unlawful until you are issued with a registration certificate and you may have to stop working. Any time you spend working here unlawfully will not count towards your 12-month qualifying period to become exempt from registration.

    How do I apply to register?
    You need to complete application form WRS, which you can download from the right side of this page. You should also read the guidance that is included at the end of the application form. The application form is in English, but there are nine different versions of the form so that you can download one that has guidance notes in your own language.

    For general guidance on the application form, see Completing application form WRS.

    The fee for registration is £90, and you will be issued with a registration card and certificate. We cannot start the registration process until we have your full payment. We will refund your fee if we refuse your application or you withdraw it. The application form gives details of how you can pay the fee.

    The fee is for the registration card, so you will not have to pay another fee if you change employer within your 12-month qualifying period and apply for a new registration certificate.

    If you have more than one job at the same time, you will need a registration certificate for each employer you are working for. You can apply for these on one application form by copying the page for employer's details and completing it for each employer. See What happens after I send my application form? for more information about your registration card and registration certificates.

    If you are working for an employment agency, but change jobs while working for the same agency, you will not need to apply for a new registration certificate unless there is a break of more than one week between jobs.


    If your employer or another representative is sending the application to us together with a number of other applications, he/she must send us £90 for each applicant who is not exempt. This can be done with a single payment to cover up to 25 applications by completing the WRS multiple payment form, which you can download from the right side of this page. Each applicant must still complete a WRS application form.

    For information on how long your application will take, and what we will do, see What happens after I send my application form?

    Sursa : www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk

    Sper ca m-am facut inteles de aceasta data.

    Toate cele bune ,


    Bivo
     
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    WRS nu restrictioneaza DELOC, accesul A8 pe piata muncii din UK. Sa nu uitam ca UK, Irlanda si Suedia au fost singurele tari din UE care nu au restrictionat accesul A8 pe piata muncii in mai 2004.[/quote]

    Dio uite postez aici niste legi priving WRS , destinate celor din A8 , cele 8 tari aderate la 1 mai 2004.
    Ce vrei tu sa spui eu te inteleg.Un ungur spre deosebire de un roman se poate angaja bine merci , fara sa aibe nevoie de carduri multicolore....De exemplu un roman care doreste sa lucreze part-time e musai sa fie in posesia unul yellow card de student care sa ii dea dreptul de munci maxim 20 de ore pe saptamana....
    Ori cei din A8 sunt OBLIGATI sa se inregistreze la Home Office in schema WRS daca doresc sa lucreze pt un angajator englez mai mult de o luna.Dupa ce se inregistreaza in schema da , si ei primesc de la Home Office un card care sa le specifice statutul lor.Ei au drept de lucru partial , piata muncii pt ei nu este deschisa total.Altfel de ce s-a mai scris pe site la Home Office si in presa , ca se vor mentine restrictiile pt A8 cu inca 2 ani ?!



    Sursa : www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk

    Sper ca m-am facut inteles de aceasta data.

    Toate cele bune ,


    Bivo[/quote]


    Bivo, in primul rind trebuie sa faci diferenta intre 'compliance' si 'enforcement'.

    WRC reprezinta un exercitiu de tip statistic, nu are nimic de’a face cu politica UKBA de natura ‘enforcement’ iar accentual e pus dealtfel pe ‘compliance’.

    Daca un cetatean A8 nu se inregistreaza, nici o problema, daca un angajator da de munca unui A8 care nu se inregistreaza cu WRS in timp de o luna, din nou nici o problema. Nu exista legislatie care sa incrimineze neinregistrarea cu WRC, nimeni nu e amendat, totul e OK.

    WRC a fost initiat ptr colectarea de date statistice si nu restrictioneaza sub nici o forma dreptul A8 de a accesa piata muncii in UK. De asemenea, WRS nu are nici o legatura cu masurile tranzitorii impuse de tratatul de aderare.

    In esenta, A8 nu sunt conditionati de card'uri sau aprobare/inregistrare prealabila cu UKBA ptr a accesa orice fel de job in UK.
     
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    Citatele sunt din articolul BBC-ului postat mai sus.

    Faptul ca se numesc "restrictii", sau ca se spune ca sistemul asta se va prelungi, sau mai stiu eu ce formule mai gasesc cate unii, e doar o modalitate de a arata britanicului de rand ca guvernantii isi fac treaba. Asta dupa ce acelasi britanic de rand a fost bombardat cu diverse statistici despre cum imigrantii vin si le fura job-urile, iar ei raman someri.

    Din pacate oamenii sunt priviti ca cetateni ai unui popor, dar se uita faptul ca popoarele sunt formate din oameni.
     
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    More Eastern Europeans leaving UK
    By Dominic Casciani
    BBC News

    Eastern European workers picking celery
    Many Eastern European migrant workers are going home

    The number of Eastern and Central Europeans leaving the UK doubled in the year to September 2008, figures show.

    The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said that more foreign nationals left during the same 12 months than compared with the previous year.

    The population is still growing from migration - but the rate has slowed because of the numbers now leaving.

    Home Office figures show there was a 27% rise in asylum seekers, but the total is well below record levels.

    Over the first three months of 2009, there were 8,380 asylum applications, the highest number since 2004. Including family members, the number of people seeking refuge was 10,285.

    While this represents a significant increase, it is below the record levels of approximately 25,000 arrivals every quarter in 2002.

    Almost half of the applications were from Zimbabweans and Afghans - with significant numbers of Iraqis, Iranians, Eritreans and Sri Lankans also seeking protection.

    Registered workers

    Officials use a number of measures to count foreign workers. Provisional figures from the International Passenger Survey, a limited sampling exercise at ports, suggests 56,000 people from eight key Eastern and Central European countries left in the year to September 2008.


    NEW POLISH WORKERS REGISTERING IN UK 2008 - 09
    Jan - Mar 2008: 32,365
    Apr - Jun: 28,625
    Jul - Sept: 25,130
    Oct - Dec: 16,895
    Jan - Mar 2009: 12,480
    Note: Poles comprise almost 60% of all Eastern European workers in the UK; Source: ONS/Home Office

    That was more than double the 26,000 who left in the previous 12 months - but overall 44,000 more Central and Eastern European workers still arrived than left.

    The ONS says that over the year to last September, 720,000 National Insurance numbers were issued to foreign nationals - down 7% on the previous year.

    The ONS said the "key factor" in the fall in National Insurance registrations was the decline in applications from eight Eastern and Central European nations.

    It said that 265,000 of the National Insurance numbers went to these nationals in the year to September - a fall of 71,000 registrations on the previous year.

    Over the same period, the government recorded 180,000 Eastern and Central Europeans joining the Worker Registration Scheme, a means of counting their presence in the UK.

    That was down from 223,000 registrations between September 2006 and September 2008.

    The most recent provisional figures show that registrations are continuing to fall, said the ONS - totalling 133,000 in the year to March 2009.

    The figures do not include self-employed workers who do not need to register.

    A graphical breakdown of the various people choosing British citizenship

    Overall, an estimated 469,000 Poles remain the largest single group of foreign passport holders living in the UK - although there are many more people born in India and Pakistan who long ago became British citizens.

    Separate figures from the Home Office show that almost 16,000 people were removed from the UK in the first three months of 2009 - 6% fewer than in the previous year. The majority of the removals, some 13,000 people, were non-asylum cases. Citizenship figures show that 129,000 people became British during 2008.

    Immigration minister Phil Woolas said: "Today's figures show that immigration levels are balancing as more Eastern Europeans are now leaving the UK to return home.

    "This suggests that increasing prosperity in post Soviet Eastern Europe in the long term can only be beneficial for the UK."

    But Sir Andrew Green of Migrationwatch UK said: "There is a small reduction in net migration. But the key to all of this is the impact of immigration on our population.

    "The numbers are quite close to what the ONS expected and that in turn means that the population will go up by 10 million in the next 20 years - and seven million of that will be a result of immigration."
     

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