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Rasism impotriva romanilor - sa actionam!

Discussion in 'in Marea Britanie' started by crysya, May 30, 2009.

  1. anca223

    anca223 New Member

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    Buna tuturor romanilor din Anglia! Vreau sa iti spun ca le-am trimis un e-mail celor de la MAE acum sa vedem ce sa intampla, sunt curioasa ca si voi sa vad daca cei alesi de noi fac ceva. Daca trebuie semnat ceva cu cea mai mare placere!!!
     
  2. dst

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    Let me clarify my reasons for posting on this issue.

    I believe there are reasons to get upset about what UKIP are saying - they misused one statistic, the crime figure, and lied about another issue, granting of passports to Moldovans. Romanians in the UK are right to be unhappy.

    What I want to see is a framing of the issue in a way that will allow you to develop a course of action that can have an impact.

    There are four practical questions:

    Who is the target of your action?
    - UKIP seems the obvious target, but is it really them? They are addressing voters, so are you trying to get UKIP to stop saying things (and they will stop making these claims after the election anyway) or are you trying to make voters aware of the facts.

    What action will you take?
    - Much of the attitude toward Romanians is actually a result of conflation of Romanians and Roma. The Roma are considered an ethnic group under European law and are subject to some protections. If the election literature talked about Roma there could be grounds for legal action but it doesnt. There is no useable legal recourse in this issue. Political claims are generally exempt from legal action. Mounting any challenge would also be horrendously expensive. So what else can you do?

    Who will take the action?
    - It is good to see that people are outraged, but I've seen this on this board many times over the last two years and very little comes of it. So maybe you ask the Embassy to write a letter, and maybe they do. But the practical impact of this is to hand responsibility over to someone else and expect them to solve it. I have tried to encourage Romanians to get together and organise an effective community voice. In two years I have seen very little desire to actually do this. Occasional one off outbursts of outrage achieves nothing. You need a sustained programme of action.

    What outcome are you aiming for?
    - this depends on how you answer the three questions above.
     
  3. silverfern

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    Dst I agree with some things that you said, and I'll try to explain the things I'm not... let's say very happy with...

    I don't like to see people outraged, unfortunatelly this could be the only way for some people to learn a little bit. And if one person learn that he can stand up and fight for his/her rights that's a good result.

    Here's a problem. "Maybe" is a problem. "Maybe" is for plants. Maybe if it's raining the plant will grow, if it's not raining maybe the plant will die. We are human beings, but we were plants for a long time - I don't know how many realize this. We have lo learn to be human beings again, not letting others to think for us, or to take action for us in the way they think is good for us. Asking the embassy and the foreing affairs to take action could have a small impact, but they say that their job is to protect romanians rights and image outside Romania. I think that they should earn their wages. And I think that romanians should know they can ask them that (many romanians don't know that they can do it). It's not handing over the responsability, is teaching people that they could ask those who are paid from public funds to do their job. Community voice? It's hard, because the same romanians must learn again what is community. To learn that if they live together they must help eachother to build something easier. And the achievements? Well, these days I saw the first romanian citizen who said not only that they were mistreated at the HO, but that they actually made a complaint against them. Maybe it's not much, but every start is made from small steps.

    P.S. Pt cei nemultumiti ca am postat in engleza, am facut asta datorita respectului pt un cetatean britanic care incearca sa-i ajute pe romani. Si poate fi chiar un exercitiu pt cei ce au dificultati in intelegerea limbii egleze - sunt destule dictionare pe net, si cu dictionarul alaturi se poate invata.
     
  4. rebecca_uk

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    Exista o problema:partidul respectiv a sters paginile web in care denigreaza romanii. Are cineva vreun leaflet de-al lor sau si-or fi modificat si campania? Eu chiar nu mai gasesc nicaieri, nici pe site-ul lor, nici pe youtube-era ca un spot publicitar, nici cautand pe google in general. Dar poate nu stiu eu unde sa caut.

    Daca gasiti ceva, postati repede aici si impreuna vom incerca sa redactam o scrisoare oficiala cu semnaturi contra unor asemenea tratamente.Daca insa nu mai apare nimic, inseamna ca probabil li s-a atras atentia, desi ma indoiesc sa fi modificat asa repede tot.
    Va multumesc.
     
  5. kitten

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    Poate imi explica si mie cineva, ca eu nu prea le am cu cifrele... In articolul de mai jos, care este legatura dintre titlu, primul paragraf si cei 2000 de tineri care au participat la studiu?

    Sursa: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ad9_1242483244&c=1
     
  6. silverfern

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    Kitten, se pare ca o actiune comuna e greu de pus pe picioare. Hai sa actionam individual. Exista o modalitate de contact pe site-ul respectiv http://www.liveleak.com/contact_us Le-am trimis un mail cerandu-le sa ia masurile necesare impotriva acelui user, sa inlature articolul care e clar ca n-are pic de logica in ceea ce priveste cifrele, si sa-si prezinte scuze public. Nu stiu daca un singur mail e de ajuns, asa ca cine se simte nedreptatit poate urma aceeasi cale. Poate ca nu rezolvam foarte multe lucruri, dar trebuie sa incepem cu ceva, nu? Pana invatam sa fim o comunitate macar sa invatam individual ce avem de facut.
     
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    Da, Silverfern, ai dreptate.

    Le-am scris si eu.
     
  8. anca223

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    Da ii greu cu cifrele acele 2 milioane reprezinta daca nu ma insel si bine imi aduc aminte 27% din cei intervievati asa ca ma indoiesc ca o iau fuga spre Great Britain mai ales ca majoritatea erau elevi de liceu. M-am revoltat asa de tare cand am citit articolul mai ales ca il citisem si pe cel din romana, incat am trimis un mail la redactia ziarului care a publicat articolul impreuna cu niste filmulete de pe youtube sa vada ca avem cu ce sa ne mandrim.
     
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    Referitor la primul subiect al topicului, nu am gasit nici eu vreo informatie pe www.ukip.org referitoare la romani ! Fara acea dovada nu prea avem cum sa actionam in vreun fel !

    Am dori sa schitam o scrisoare in numele ROMANi ONLiNE in care sa semnalam Ambasadei de la Londra cateva discriminari pe care le-am sesizat noi, comunitatea, in media si sa vedem cum s-au implicat ei direct pentru a le rezolva, daca au aflat de ele bineinteles.

    Ce parere aveti?

    N.
     
  10. crysya

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    Am reusit sa scanez leaflet-ul respectiv si voi incerca sa il postez aici. [​IMG]
     
  11. crysya

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    Si pe verso: [​IMG]
     
  12. silverfern

    silverfern New Member

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    Crysya, mii de multumiri.

    Negrutxa, daca vrei sa raspunda toti cei care sunt de acord cu ideea asta, cred ca ar fi cam multe postari. Poate un soi de referendum, sa dea fiecare click pe "da", "nu" sau pe "nu stiu , ma grabesc". Da' nu ma-ntreba cum se face, am vazut pe alte forumuri. :p Oricum nu cred sa apara voturi la "nu", poate la "nu stiu, ma grabesc" sa fie vreun vot ratacit.:laugh:

    Si revenind la lucruri mai serioase, idea n-ar fi doar sa semnalam "cateva" discriminari, ci pe toate. Sesizarea nu e doar o modalitate de a-i "trage de maneca", ci si de a le aduce la cunostinta unele cazuri. Chiar si noi aflam de multe ori despre un caz sau altul de la vreun user care posteaza pe forum. Eventual sa aiba un format care sa fie usor adaptabil de la un caz la altul, pt ca nu cred ca situatiile astea vor inceta prea curand si e pacat sa se piarda timpul de fiecare data cu conceperea sesizarii.
     
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    Avem deja un format initial de scrisoare. In curand ea va fi pusa pe forum cu imbunatatirile de rigoare. Dorinta mea ar fi sa o semnam cat mai multi. Oricum ea are si acordul si semnatura comunitatii romani-online.
    Multumiri celor care sesizeaza aceste aspecte care aduc prejudicii de imagine natiunii romane.
     
  14. crismarten

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    Cel mai bun "raspuns" contra UKIP este participarea la vot maine(europarlamentare)..
    Scrisori si proteste nu vor face mare branza..IMO..Trebuie votat cu laburistii,..e clar ca sunt cei mai open minded cand vine vorba de imigratie..
    Ar fi interesant de publicat detalii despre cum pot vota romanii din UK..pe site-ul ambasadei n-am gasit nimic.
    Aici pe site a fost un link aparte anu' trecut la alegerile din Ro dar de data asta nu gasesc nimic.

    fiind alegeri europene ca cetateani UE romanii pot vota fie pt british fie pt Ro

    pt a vota contra UKIP va puteti inregistra aici(data viitoare acum fiind prea tarziu;s-au facut inregistrari doar pana la 19 mai)

    http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register_t ... zens_.aspx

    daca sunteti rezidenti in uk va puteti inregistra pt vot(nu e obligatoriu sa aveti cetatenie)

    http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/why_should ... ng_my.aspx

    mai mult despre alegerile astea...
    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/elections ... anguage=en

    http://www.alegeri.tv/
     
  15. negrutxa

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    Multumim mult crysya !

    Silverfern nu asteptam votul tuturor membrilor :laugh: , era un mod de a comunica cu ei, cu cei interesati sa participe la actiunea noastra. Multumesc pentru raspunsul tau.

    Scrisoarea va fi redactata oricum si semnata ROMANi ONLiNE, orice membru/vizitator interesat sa o semneze este binevenit! Poate cei din umbra ce stau si ne citesc in fiecare zi au curaj macar sa semneze cu noi scrisoarea, suntem pasnici ;)

    Rebecca, as propune sa traducem scrisoarea si in egleza, sa avem ambele variante.

    O zi buna tuturor
     
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    Ah, David (DST) tocmai mi-a confirmat ca se va implica cu placere in actiunea noastra si ne va asista sa redactam scrisoarea.


    Just had a confirmation from DST (David) that he will be pleased to support our initiative to send the letter to the Romanian Embassy to report the recent discriminatory articles/acts from media.

    Let's rock and roll !
     
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    Scrisoarea a fost tradusa, fiind redactata inca de aseara.(acum are si traducere) Daca este bine asa,poate reusim sa facem ceva cu ea astazi, ca timpul zboara. Multumesc
     
  18. negrutxa

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    Nu cred ca reusim sa facem azi ceva cu ea Rebecca, nu are rost sa ne grabim fara ca scrisoarea sa nu fi fost revizuita de mai multe persoane. Calitatea scrisorii e cea mai importanta , parerea mea, reflecta calitatea websiteului si modului de abordare al membrilor.
     
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    Si cum facem sa semnam scrisoarea ? Eu sunt de acord sa o semnez.
     
  20. silverfern

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    Propunere: scrisoarea ar fi bine sa fie trimisa si ministrului de externe, poate chiar si presedintiei... De semnat nu stiu cum s-o semnam:unsure:

    Articolul cu numaratoarea celor 2 milionae de romani disperati sa ajunga in UK a aparut in Daily Express, iar geniul matematicii (si nu numai al matematicii - vedeti cum intentioneaza romanii sa ajunga in UK cu un personal din Sibiu :eek:hmy: ) care a scris articolul se numeste Nick Fagge :S
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/101 ... Romanians-

    Cat despre reAct cine are idee cum se trimit articolele referitoare la romani poate trimite si articolul asta, ca eu nu-mi dau seama care e procedura.
     

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