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Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat?

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  1. emivivid

    emivivid New Member

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    Buna seara prieteni,

    eu n-am mai postat de cateva luni bune aici,
    intotdeauna forumul asta mi s-a parut o oaza de soare, la cat ajutor am primit si eu si atati altii,
    o multitudine de frustrari si ignoranta au fost topite pentru ca unii dintre muritori de sange romanesc vor sa traiasca pt mai mult decat ei insisi -bravo-

    sunt deja recunoscatoare si ptr sfaturile voastre la dubiul pe care il avem acum:

    sotul meu a fost SE de cand ne-am mutat aici, in productie media,
    luni va merge la un interviu ptr un job permanent,
    nu suntem siguri daca ei il vor sub forma de angajat sau daca le va conveni sa il tina ca free-lance,
    dar voiam sa fim siguri inainte de a merge sa vorbeasca cu ei.

    noi avem aplicatiile trimise prin posta pt Reg Cards permanente,
    eu ca aplicant principal (fiind trecuta demult de acel 1 an ca dependent de statutul lui de SE) deci fiind calificata ptr dreptul nerestrictionat la lucru (sunt angajata de 4 ani de altfel),
    iar restul familiei ca dependeti de mine (inclusiv sotul meu, chiar daca el n-a aplicat niciodata ptr Yellow card)

    dupa cum ma duce pe mine capul,
    CHIAR daca NU avem cardurile sa ne ateste dreptul asta, are si el dreptul acum sa fie angajat acum, la fel ca si mine,
    corect?

    multam'!
     
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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    "Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat?"
    Nu.
    Ca si dependent de detinator de blue permanent (adica de tine)
    Da.
     
  3. emivivid

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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    multumesc de raspuns,

    dupa cum inteleg eu, ceea ce ma intituleaza pe mine acum la lucru nerestrictionat, este dreptul prin Tratat, indiferent daca detin sau nu Blue-Cardul; ala e optional si doar imi atesta/confirma dreptul, nu mi-l da.
    iar dreptul ala mi-a fost temporar in primul lui an de zile ca SE, dupa care mi s-a desprins de el, si mi l-am castigat independent (dupa ce am lucrat si eu angajata legal 1 an de zile) si a devenit permanent, CHIAR daca nu am avut niciodata hartiile OPTIONALE care sa confirme.

    Incepand cu acel moment, in care eu am devenit in statutul meu - independenta de al lui, el are de asemena dreptul sa fie angajat ca dependent de mine, - chiar daca nu are cefertecatu' sa dovedeasca asta.
    nu?
     
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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    Cristal clear , dar din pacate teoria nu se impaca bine cu practica mai ales cand e vorba de dreptul romanilor la munca in acesta tara
     
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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    Salut, si tin sa sustin cu tarie cele spuse de theman73 in postul de mai sus. Intr-adevar, din pacate, teoria nu se impaca bine cu practica la capitolul drept de munca. Chiar daca, teoretic, dupa 12 luni muncite legal in UK nu mai ai nevoie de permisiunea Home Office de a munci in UK, la orice interviu pentru un potential job ti se va cere dovada dreptului de munca (blue card), dovada pentru care in prezent noi asteptam deja de 8 luni (ma abtin de la orice comentarii si ma abtin cu greu de la a izbucni in fraze buruienoase la adresa lor). Nu mai spun nimic, ma duc la o cana de cafea si o tigara ......... ne mai citim!
     
  6. Mr.Smith

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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    emivivid
    "Buna seara prieteni,

    dupa cum ma duce pe mine capul,
    CHIAR daca NU avem cardurile sa ne ateste dreptul asta, are si el dreptul acum sa fie angajat acum, la fel ca si mine,
    corect?"


    Mai jos vei gasi "dupa cum ii duce capul" pe cei de la HO.

    RIGHTS OF MOVEMENT FOR BULGARIAN AND ROMANIAN NATIONALS
    POST ACCESSION


    • Since 1st January 2007, as European Economic Area (EEA) nationals,
    Bulgarians and Romanians have been able to move and reside freely in any
    Member State. They do not require leave to enter or remain to reside legally
    in the UK.

    • They have a right of residence in any Member State for their first 3 months of
    residence and can remain legally resident in that state as long as they wish if
    exercising a treaty right as a student; a self-employed person; or if not
    economically active and self-sufficient. But they do not have a right to
    reside as a worker.

    EU Rights as a worker – Registration Certificates

    Spouse/Civil partners of Romanian and Bulgarian Nationals

    Where a person is a national of Bulgaria and Romania, and is the spouse
    of a person holding a registration certificate restricting their access to the labour
    market (for example, the spouse of a student or self-employed person) or a
    person holding a work authorisation document, they too will be required to obtain
    an accession worker card in order to take employment in the United Kingdom.
    However, the criteria for the issue of such a document to a dependant spouse in
    these circumstances will not be subject to a skills test.

    Top Ten Frequently Asked Questions

    Family members

    My wife and Children are Bulgarian/Romanian, what do they have to do to
    live with me?


    Following accession they will be able to reside with you freely and don’t need a
    document confirming status to live in the UK lawfully. Depending on your
    circumstances your wife, if wanting to work, will need an accession worker card, or
    may be entitled to a registration certificate. Her level of access to the UK labour
    market is the same as yours. If you have unrestricted right to access the UK labour
    market she will be able to obtain a document with the same level of access, if not
    her access will also be restricted.


    My dependant was here with me in the UK before the Accession, what
    do they need to do to be able to work?


    The regulations governing access to the UK labour market for spouses or civil
    partners following Accession is dependent on the particular circumstances of the
    individuals concerned. For example, an A2 spouse or civil partner of a UK
    national or settled person in the UK will have no restrictions placed on their
    employment in the UK; an A2 spouse or civil partner of a self-employed A2
    national would be eligible to apply for a Purple Accession Worker Card only.
    Further details and information can be found on the Border and Immigration
    Agency.

    Workers

    Can I work without permission?

    No – You must have permission, either by means of a registration certificate
    providing access to the labour market, an accession worker card or on the basis of
    leave to remain given prior to accession.

    Do I need a document confirming my status?

    This depends on what you are doing and if you want to work. If you want to work
    you must get an accession worker card or a registration certificate that provides
    access to the labour market. You do not need a document if you don’t want to
    work.

    What happens after 12 months?

    If you have been authorised and working without interruption for 12 months you will normally gain full worker rights. The main exception to this is if you are working under the SAWS scheme, in which case you cannot work for 12 months uninterrupted (see above).
    You cannot be out of work for more than 30 days during the 12 months. After this period, you will gain the same rights as other EEA/EU nationals and no longer have to register with the Home Office.

    Can I change jobs?

    Yes, if you have full worker rights you are free to take up any job offer. In order to
    demonstrate this right to an employer you will need to provide them with evidence
    of this, such as a registration certificate confirming you have a unrestricted right to
    access UK labour market

    Employer information

    What happens if I employ a Bulgarian / Romanian without appropriate
    documents?


    You will be committing a criminal offence and will be liable to prosecution.

    How will I know they have the correct papers?

    You will either have obtained a work permit first and they will then obtain an
    accession worker card (the “purple” card); or they will present you with one of the
    following:
    • A “Blue” registration certificate showing full access to UK labour market.
    • A “Yellow” registration certificate confirming the person is here as a student
    and has permission to work for 20 hours a week during term time and full
    time outside of term time.
    • A UK residence permit showing a person has leave to remain with
    unrestricted permission to work (that has not expired) or evidence that the
    person has been working legally and continuously for a period of 12
    months ending on or after 31 December 2006.
    • An indefinite leave to remain stamp in their passport.
    • A no time limit stamp in their passport
    .
    Can I get the Home Office to check their papers?

    An online tool kit for employers will provide assistance; this will be available at
    http://www.employingmigrantworkers.org.uk






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  7. emivivid

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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    what??
    pe de o parte
    deci e prima oara cand aud de asa ceva!!!!!!!
    de cand???

    si pe de alta parte:
    ???
     
  8. emivivid

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    oh, imi pare rau sa aud ca poate dura asa de mult!!
     
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    deci aici par sa fie 2 conditii:
    "If you have been authorised and working without interruption for 12 months you will normally gain full worker rights."
    ok, intrebarea mea intrebatoare este urmatoarea:

    Ce inseamna acel "AUTHORISED"?
    ca ceea ce inteleg eu este dreptul primit in virtutea statutului sotului meu, care pana acum 10 minute stiam ca e egal cu unrestricted access to labour, ca spouse al unui Self-Employed!
    si nicidecum hartia ma autoriza, ba char aia imi spusesera ca imi e optionala!!!!!

    si daca ei inteleg prin "autorised" sa fi primit hartia, iar eu n-am cerut-o,
    si pentru ei asta e una din cele 2 conditii,
    chiar de am muncit io de 4 ori cate cele 12 luni neintrerupte, sa-mi iau good-bye de la gaining full worker rights???
    mai stupida/orbita interpretare a legii in felul asta nici ca n-ar mai exista!

    dragii mei, eu n-am mai fost pe aici demult!
    io fac atat tam-tam pentru nimic?
    s-au bagat amendamente la ceea ce stiam eu initial??
    voi ati dezbatut deja problema asta si mai vine si io, una noua sa repete aceleasi lucruri a mia oara?
     
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    Re: Poate un Self Empl de 4 ani fara Reg Cert sa fie angajat

    Emi, bine-ai revenit!

    Poate-ar fi bine sa adresezi intrebarea la noua sectiune AVOCATUL RASPUNDE si poate chiar sa iei legatura cu dl avocat Dragut, cu Dio...
    Nu mai stiu unde am citit ca ar fi venit un nou atasat pe probleme de munca. O intrebare si la d-lui/ dumneaei nu strica.
    Succes!
     
  12. emivivid

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    multumesc, rebecca.

    sincera sa fiu, am lasat sa pice chestiunea in nesemnificativ in mintea mea,
    nu am timp sa fac cercetari.

    inteleg ca inca un an si ar trebui sa fie eliminat tot stresul asta cu restrictiile.
     

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