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Aplicatie pentru blue card refuzata

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  1. Symmetry

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    Buna seara! As avea si eu o problema de lamurit...
    Am aplicat pentru un blue card in ianuarie anul acesta, si tocmai am primit scrisoarea de refuz de la UKBA.
    Ca sa explic mai bine situatia mea: Anul acesta in iulie am terminat facultatea in Londra si am avut yellow card de cand am inceput facultatea. Am inceput sa lucrez part-time in Octombrie 2010 la o cafenea. In primele luni ale angajarii mele am avut un manager care imi aloca ture de mai mult de 20 de ore pe saptamana (limita data de yellow card fiind de 20 de ore lucrate pe saptamana in timpul cursurilor). L-am intrebat foarte clar atunci daca este in ordine sa lucrez mai mult si el mi-a raspuns ca e ok cateva ore peste si ca nu va fi nicio problema. Nu am putut sa comentez mai mult, nu exista loc de nogocieri. Dupa cateva luni managerul respectiv a plecat din firma si noul manager este correct si aloca numarul legal de ore pe saptamana.
    Atunci cand am decis sa aplic pentru blue card (ianuarie 2012) a trebuit sa-mi folosesc toti fluturasii de salariu de pana atunci, inclusiv cei care aratau clar ca am lucrat mai mult de 20 de ore. De aceea am si primit scrisoarea de refuz de la UKBA. In cele 9 luni de asteptare pentru raspuns, am reusit sa adun acum payslips ( 12 luni continuu) care arata ca am lucrat legal si sub limita de 20 de ore.
    Intrebarea mea este: in momentul acesta si tinand cont de refuzul UKBA pentru blue card, am dreptul sa lucrez full-time? Pe site-ul UKBA se mentioneaza faptul ca daca lucrezi 12 luni fara intreruperi si in mod legal in UK, nu mai ai nevoie de permisiunea lor pentru a lucra. Eu pot dovedi acum ca am lucrat 12 luni fara intrerupere si in conditiile legale.
    Yellow card-ul expira in 4 luni dupa absolvire, adica in luna noiembrie. Voi avea vreo problema din cauza aceasta sau ma pot baza pe dreptul meu automat, deja castigat, de a lucre fara restrictii?
    Daca as avea o oferta de serviciu in urmatoarele saptamani, as putea sa-i zic clar angajatorului ca mi-am castigat dreptul asta? Pot sa reaplic pentru blue card cu cele 12 payslips legale si am siguranta ca imi va accepta aplicatia pentru blue card?


    Am aplicat pentru un blue card in ianuarie anul acesta, si tocmai am primit scrisoarea de refuz de la UKBA.
    Ca sa explic mai bine situatia mea: Anul acesta in iulie am terminat facultatea in Londra si am avut yellow card de cand am inceput facultatea. Am inceput sa lucrez part-time in Octombrie 2010 la o cafenea. In primele luni ale angajarii mele am avut un manager care imi aloca ture de mai mult de 20 de ore pe saptamana (limita data de yellow card fiind de 20 de ore lucrate pe saptamana in timpul cursurilor). L-am intrebat foarte clar atunci daca este in ordine sa lucrez mai mult si el mi-a raspuns ca e ok cateva ore peste si ca nu va fi nicio problema. Nu am putut sa comentez mai mult, nu exista loc de nogocieri. Dupa cateva luni managerul respectiv a plecat din firma si noul manager este correct si aloca numarul legal de ore pe saptamana.
    Atunci cand am decis sa aplic pentru blue card (ianuarie 2012) a trebuit sa-mi folosesc toti fluturasii de salariu de pana atunci, inclusiv cei care aratau clar ca am lucrat mai mult de 20 de ore. De aceea am si primit scrisoarea de refuz de la UKBA. In cele 9 luni de asteptare pentru raspuns, am reusit sa adun acum payslips ( 12 luni continuu) care arata ca am lucrat legal si sub limita de 20 de ore.
    Intrebarea mea este: in momentul acesta si tinand cont de refuzul UKBA pentru blue card, am dreptul sa lucrez full-time? Pe site-ul UKBA se mentioneaza faptul ca daca lucrezi 12 luni fara intreruperi si in mod legal in UK, nu mai ai nevoie de permisiunea lor pentru a lucra. Eu pot dovedi acum ca am lucrat 12 luni fara intrerupere si in conditiile legale.
    Yellow card-ul expira in 4 luni dupa absolvire, adica in luna noiembrie. Voi avea vreo problema din cauza aceasta sau ma pot baza pe dreptul meu automat, deja castigat, de a lucre fara restrictii?
    Daca as avea o oferta de serviciu in urmatoarele saptamani, as putea sa-i zic clar angajatorului ca mi-am castigat dreptul asta? Pot sa reaplic pentru blue card cu cele 12 payslips legale si am siguranta ca imi va accepta aplicatia pentru blue card?
    Va multumesc anticipat!
     
  2. Huzzy

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    Salut.

    Si eu sunt in aceasi situatie, oarecum. Am aboslvit anul acesta in UK, am avut permis de munca cu restrictia de 20 de ore pe saptamana si am lucrat de 2 ani fara intrerupere. Dar nu am aplicat pentru un alt permis, am presupus ca nu mai e nevoie si cred ca am dreptate, maine merg la un interviu, le-am spus situatia mea si raspunsul lor a fost ca tot ce trebuie sa arat e pasaportul, NI si p45, fara fluturasi de salar sau altceva.
    Peste tot pe unde am aplicat inainte, nu mi-au cerut nimic altceva decat NI si orice forma de ID.
    Poate ma insel, dar mi se pare logic ca o data ce ai NI nu mai e nevoie de permis de munca. Nici cand m-am angajat prima data nu mi l-au cerut si nu cred ca ar fi o problema, altfel as fi fost "prins" pana acum.

    Bafta!
     
  3. Adi PC

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    Nino NU ESTE permis de munca!!!
    Dreptul de munca il are un posesor de Yellow, Purple sau Blue card, care sunt permise de munca.

    D.P. 074
     
  4. mdragut

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    Din pacate, avand in vedere ca ati incalcat anumite obligatii si ati primit un refuz din partea UKBA, nu pot aprecia daca puteti sau nu lua employment legal.

    Teoretic, DA, dupa cele 12 luni de munca in conditiile statutului de student, ati dobandit drept de munca fara restrictii.

    Sfatul meu este sa transmiteti o noua aplicatie catre UKBA fie in urma celor 12 luni de munca legala fie prin highly skilled, avand in vedere studiile universitare in UK.

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  5. Huzzy

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    Stiu asta, doar mentionam ca de cand am obtinut pemisul de munca pt studenti in 2010, oriunde am fost la munca, sau la interviuri nimeni nu a cerut sa-l vada. Singurele documente pe care le-am prezentat au fost pasaportul si cardul NI, uneori p45.

    In acelasi timp, chiar daca nu mai sunt la curent si nu ma pricep, din ce stiu eu nu poti avea NI fara permis de munca, astfel ca implicit cand arati ca ai NI, ai drept de munca. Incaodata, e doar din ce stiu, mari sanse sa ma insel :)

    By the way, astazi am obtinut un nou loc de munca full time, fara sa imi pomeneasca nimeni, nimic, de permis de munca!

    O seara placuta!
     
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    Aha....deci se poate.
     
  7. albea

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    E plin forumul de idei ca NINo = drept de munca. Nu esti tu primul sau ultimul. Problema va fi cand se sparge buba si da puroiul afara. Sa vezi ce iese cand o afla angajatorul tau ca esti ilegal, sau, Doamne fereste, vreo razie de la UKBA. Sau, poate vrei sa aplici pentru ceva acte sau beneficii in UK.

    Btw, nu cumva ai bifat vreo casuta in vreun formular de angajare sau aplicatie online, precum ca ai drept de munca? In cazul asta o sa doara mai rau.

    Later edit: De unde le scoateti frate, ca NINo se da in baza dreptului de munca?? Eu am NINo din 2008, dar drept de munca ioc.
     
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    Se poate ... ce?
     
  9. dinut

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    Buna ziua,
    am baiatul student anul doi la universitate,are bursa nerambursabila pentru scolarizare si intretinere si as vea sa stiu daca pot aplica pentru blue card ca dependent de el.(el a aplicat pentru yelow card dar nu a primit inca nimic)
    Multumesc
     
  10. Symmetry

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    Va multumesc pentru raspuns! Am contactat Ambasada Romaniei din Londra si mi-au dat cam acelasi raspuns. Doamna cu care am vorbit a fost mai optimista in privinta dreptului legal de a munci, spunand ca atata timp cat explic si ofer documentele necesare ( legislatia care arata prevederea asta), cele 12 payslips si yellow cardul, ar trebui sa fie totul ok. Numai sa dau de un angajator open-minded. Cat priveste highly skilled, sunt calificata sa aplic pentru permis, si cred ca voi trimite cat mai curand aplicatia pentru asta, cat sa fiu 100% sigura de legitimitatea mea.
     
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    Pana iti raspund la aplicatia pentru highly skilled... se ridica restrictiile pentru romani.
     
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    Mircea, deci e sigur? Cand se ridica restrictiile pentru romani?

    Si eu as vrea sa aplic pentru highly skilled, dar am inteles ca dureaza f mult pana primesti un raspuns. Insa am citit pe situl UKBA ca daca te prezinti personal sa-ti depui aplicatia la biroul din Croydon se proceseaza aplicatia in aceeasi zi. Stie careva de asa ceva? E adevarat?
     
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    Referitor la formulare:

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... /applying/
    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... osendform/

    We offer a same-day service for applications on forms BR1, BR2, (except those applicants applying under the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme), BR3, BR4 by appointment only at public enquiry office (PEO) in Croydon. You should call 0870 606 7766 to make an appointment before you attend.

    Deci HSMP --> nu ofera same day service.

    Referitor la ridicarea restrictiilor:
    http://www.mediafax.ro/externe/restrict ... 3-10194169

    ar trebui sa fie undeva informatia si pe site-ul ambasadei
     
  14. kika

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    Buna seara.
    Pe 1 mai am aplicat pt blue card, dupa ce am lucrat ca au pair un an de zile ( inca mai lucrez) . Azi mi-a venit refuz la aplicatie pe motiv ca primesc prea multi bani ( mentionez ca in scrisoarea de la angajator am scris ca primesc 150 de lire) si ca plimbatul cainilor nu intra in atributiile mele de au pair. Pe site-ul www.bapaa.org.uk, la sectiunea " what is an au pair" ( site recomandat de gov.uk) apare ca una dintre atributii poate fi si plimbatul sau hranitul animalelor de casa.
    Desi le-am trimis scrisoare de la angajator cum ca lucrez la ei de un an de zile, mi-au zis ca nu au suficiente dovezi cum ca am lucrat legal un an fara intrerupere, desi in raspunsul primit de la ei au gresit data emiterii cardului roz.

    Afisez mai jos raspunsul de la ei:

    We have considered your application on behalf of the Secretary of State and your application has been refused.
    You were awarded an Accesion Worker Card on 30 March 2012 on the basis that you were, amongst other conditions, receveing £75 per week, this was deemed to be a reasonable allowance. You are now in receipt of £150 per week which is considered a breach of the Au Pair Conditions. Additionally your duties whilst working for ...... are noted as babysitting, cleaning and dog walking. Dog walking does not fall within the Au Pair criteria of helping with housework and assisting with the care of children. As a result you do not meet the Au Pair conditions.
    It has been decided that you have not provided satisfactory evidence that your allowance is of a reasonable amount and that dog wslking is outsite the conditions for an Au Pair and that you have not provided satisfactory evidence that you have been working legally in the UK without interruption for a period of 12 months ending on or after 31 December 2006.


    Scrisoarea de la angajator, trimisa de mine, a fost tratata la timpul prezent, nu s-a referit specific la perioada de un an de zile, iar suma de 150 de lire o primesc de doua luni.

    Intrebare: ce pot face in continuare?
    Astept raspuns, multumind anticipat
     
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    Buna.
    Ca si au-pair nu ai voie sa lucrezi mai mult de 25 de ore pe sapt si "banii de buzunar" asa cum sunt numiti nu trebuie sa fie mai multi de £75 pe sapt ( sper sa nu ma insel in privinta numarului de ore).
    Dupa cum vezi ei ti-au zis k at cand ai aplicat pt accesion worker card primeai £75 ceea ce era bn dar pt k acum primesti £150 nu te mai incadrezi.
    Trebuia sa treci exact aceeasi suma si cand ai aplicat pt blue card.
    Nu stiu daca poti face ceva sper sa primesti raspunsuri de la pers care stiu mai multe.
    Multa bafta.
     
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    Gasiti mai jos conditiile generale aferente statutului de au pair. In masura in care considerati ca sunteti indreptatita, puteti face apel la decizia UKBA, in timpul legal.

    3. "AU PAIR" PLACEMENTS

    3.1 Introduction
    A young person from Bulgaria or Romania who wishes to learn the English language may do so by coming to the United Kingdom to live as a member of an English-speaking family living here. An "au pair" is expected to help with housework and assist with the care of children for up to 5 hours a day, 5 days a week.

    3.2 Criteria
    Caseworkers considering such applications must satisfy themselves that:
    - the applicant is aged between 17 and 27 inclusive, is unmarried and without dependants;
    - the applicant is in the United Kingdom for the purpose of learning the English language;
    - the applicant is living as a member of an English speaking family with appropriate opportunities for study;
    - the applicant will help in the home for a maximum of 5 hours per day in return for a reasonable allowance (no more than £100 per week) and with two free days per week

    3.3 Further Guidance
    Age limits
    An "au pair" must have attained the age of 17 but not have reached the age of 28. Some discretion may be used in the case of a young person who will be 17 within a few days. Discretion to approve applications from individuals aged 28 years or over should not be used unless it is apparent that the arrival has been delayed by an unexpected domestic crisis, illness or the completion of a long-term course of study. In such cases discretion may be exercised up to six months over the age of 28, however, line manager advice should be sought.
    If the applicant falls outside the age range for the scheme and discretion cannot be exercised, there is nothing to be gained by requesting further information and the application should be refused.

    The host family
    The family should be resident (though not necessarily settled) in the United Kingdom and be English speaking (i.e. English is the normal means of communication within the family circle). Any doubts on the latter point should be
    cleared by further enquiries with the hosts (particularly where the "au pair" wishes to live with a family of the same national origin or mother tongue). Where there is a family relationship between the "au pair" and the hosts, care should be taken to ensure that all aspects of the arrangement are satisfactory and, in particular that the "au pair" is coming for the purpose of learning English and not to work as a full-time child-minder.
    A "family" need not consist of a husband, wife and children but a person living alone should not be considered as a family for the purposes of the "au pair" rules. If the requirements cannot be satisfied, the application should be refused.

    Host families with more than one au pair at the same time
    There is nothing to prevent a host family from having more than one au pair at the same time provided that each placement meets the full requirements. Where there is more than 2 Au Pairs at the same address please refer to your line manager. Duties such as washing cars, mowing lawns, helping with gardening work, assisting with DIY, painting and decorating etc are not considered acceptable.

    Acceptable “au pair” arrangements
    The "au pair" criteria are set out above. In addition an “au pair”:
    - should be free to attend religious services as well as language classes if they wish
    - should have free board and lodging and the use of own room
    - may also be expected to baby-sit for up to two nights a week; and
    - the "reasonable allowance" should be up to £100 per week. Any sum in excess of this might suggest that the person is filling the position of domestic servant, or similar, which would require a letter of approval under the Border and Immigration Agency arrangements.

    A letter from the host family confirming the placement and describing the arrangements, e.g. details of the host, family duties, pocket money and arrangements for study, should normally be requested.

    Sursa:http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk

    Av.dr. Marian Dragut
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    Solicitor Regulation Authority no. 560597
    Member of The National Association of the Romanian Bars, Ilfov Bar
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    Multumesc pt raspunsuri. Are vreo relevanta faptul ca in raspuns, ei au gresit data la care am primit cardul roz.? L-am primit pe 30 martie 2011, nu 2012
     
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    Mai am o intrebare. Partenerul meu a aplicat in acelasi timp cu mine pt blue card. El este au pair la alta fam. I-au refuzat aplicatia, dar raspunsul lor a fost " application for an accesion worker card as an au pair has been refused" . El a aplicat pt registration certificate. Are vreo relevanta faptul ca au gresit?
    Multumesc
     
  19. mdragut

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    Va sugerez ca in ambele situatii sa luati legatura cu un specialist care sa analizeze daca se poate face ceva in termenul pe care il aveti la dispozitie.

    Av.dr. Marian Dragut
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    Solicitor Regulation Authority no. 560597
    Member of The National Association of the Romanian Bars, Ilfov Bar
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    Buna,

    Am ajuns la concluzia ca site-ul asta e unul bun de nimic...numai bagareti in seama, toata lumea isi spune parerea, toata lumea stie, dar de fapt nu stiu nimic! Domisoara Alice Andreea! Ca au pair se muceste 25 ore saptamana, cu 2 nopti babysitting si 2 zile libere pe saptamana...ca aceste 2 zile sa-ti ofere timp pentru a merge la un curs sau ma rog a studia! Si bineanteles ca familia sa vb limba engleza in casa! Pocket money pt un au pair este intre £70-£100! Doar daca nu sa schimbat minimul...ca eu cand am ajuns aici era £60 pe sapt. Si pe urma sa schimbat la £70. Dar maximul pe care poti sa-l primesti este £100, ce-i peste o suta normal ar trebui sa-i declari si sa platesti taxe pt ei! Asa ca in cazul domisoarei de mai sus nu stiu ce se mai poate face!
     

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